Saturday, July 20, 2013

Weekly Rat Facts: Breeders

Lucky, 8 months old.

I know there are some people out there that say people should only adopt from reputable breeders when adopting rats. I'm not going to be rude and tell anyone what they should do, I will however tell you what I will and won't do.

After seeing pictures of sick rats and hamsters in the big chain pet stores, and hearing how the small animals are treated in those stores by people who have actually worked there...I will never again buy a rat or any other small animal from a big chain pet store. I have in the past but now I know that these pet stores often times get their rats and hamsters from mills. Like Puppy mills, there are rat mills that do the same thing.

There are also back yard breeders that do not know how to care for their animals and don't care who they sell them too.

I will also state that I will not adopt from a breeder at this time. Maybe sometime in the future I will change my mind but not until there are no more rats being given away on craigslist, shelters or rescues. I would much rather rescue a rat from a family who no longer wants them than line the pockets of a breeder who is breeding because they think the rats who have been sold in pet stores and are now not wanted are not worthy of a forever home.

I will not tell you not to adopt from a breeder but I will tell you what to watch out for when looking for a breeder to adopt from.

Feeder Breeders
If the breeder you are talking to about adopting a rat from, also sells their rats to people as food for their snakes, and other not adopt from them! I cannot emphasize this enough. A rat breeder who cares about their line, would never under any circumstances sell one of their rats to someone as food. Most breeders make you sign contracts that you will keep in touch, will not breed the rat they give you and if for whatever reason you cannot take care of the rat they give you, that you give it back to them. So if a breeder is selling their rats as food as well as pets...they are bad breeders and don't care about their animals.

Things To Watch Out For
Most breeders have contracts that they make you sign before you can adopt one of their rats and they may even want to do a home visit to make sure you have a nice cage and the room for the rats you adopt. But if they tell you that you have to pick your rat from pictures they let you see and won't let you come into their home to see where the rats were raised and housed, no matter what excuse they have, you will want to look elsewhere.

I've come to find out that there are quite a few breeders that will not let you see the rats before you pick one out from pictures. They will not let you in their home, will not let you play with the rats to see which one has the right personality for you and will not let you see where they were raised.

The most common excuse for this I've heard is that they don't want any diseases, parasites or bugs being transferred to their rattery where they care for their rats, on the clothes or skin of the people coming to adopt a rat so they make you pick a rat from a picture and then they bring it outside to you. This is not how I would want to pick a new pet. I want to be able to interact with the rats and see which ones have the personality I'm looking for.

I have also heard that some breeders have a clause in their contract that says something to the effect of...if you breed the rat they give you after you have signed a contract saying you won't but you have an oops litter that they have the right to either 1) take the babies from you or 2) have the first pick of the litter.

If you see this in the contract...put it down and run away...don't walk, run! Because this is just ridiculous. After you buy and essentially you are buying a rat from them not adopting..once money changes hands you have bought...not adopted..but anyway, once you have bought the rat, that rat is now legally yours and they cannot tell you what you can and cannot do with him or her and they certainty cannot tell you that any babies born to him or her belong to them.

Also, breeders sometimes ask you to pay crazy amounts for their rats. I saw where a breeder wanted you to pay $50 for a pair of rats and she only sold them in pairs. Frankly, that's a bit pricey is you ask me.

A Good Breeder Will...
Let you see where the rats live and how they are taken care of.
Let you play with the rats and pick the ones you want.
Not hassle you after you have brought the rats home.
Will want to be kept updated with pictures and maybe an email once in a while.
Not charge you a ridiculous price for a pair of rats.

Like I said, I'm not going to tell anyone what to do, just getting some information out there. Give you something to think about before you go looking for a breeder or go to a pet store looking to buy a rat.

There are alternatives to breeders and pet stores.
There's Craigslist- They always have pets on there looking for homes.
Local Shelter- call or visit your local shelter.
There are also Freecycle Groups- I became a member of Freecycle Las Vegas and found that they have a sister site called Las Vegas Pets

That Las Vegas Pets has listings for FREE pets that are looking for good homes. If you become a member of your local freecycle group they might have a freecycle group in your area for pets as well. I actually rescued a hamster from the Las Vegas Pets in my area and the lady gave me the hamster, his cage, food, bedding and everything she had for him...for free. She had got the hamster for her 5 year old son who after a couple of months wasn't interested in the hamster any more. Sad But true.

Frankly, I don't advocate breeding pets anymore because there are sooo many animals out there looking for forever homes. Yes, good breeders are trying to better the species they are breeding by only breeding from good lines and keeping records of everything. I understand that, but still think that it would be better for all animals to have humans stop breeding them and rescue the animals that are already alive and try to find forever homes for them.


  1. True rescue is a good way to go, except some you have to have the patience and time for no matter the animal, as they can have issues. but so can puppies and such.

  2. Pat, that is very true. I like a challenge though.

  3. It's true that adopted pets might provide challenges, but it is so worth it. Both of our dogs have been unwanted and they have provided us with hours of fun and companionship.

  4. If I am going to adopt a pet, especially a rat I want to make damn sure I'm not going to get it home and have it end up with upper respiratory problems and tumors. I much rather go to a breeder and pay extra for a good quality rat. I know of one breeder here in Las Vegas and while she may have a strict contract and charge more its well worth my peace of mind. Your opinion of breeders is obviously very ignorant. Good breeders put a lot of work into their rats, something you couldn't begin to understand so stop bashing breeders.

  5. 'ratsruletheworld' is apparently a breeder that is offended that everyone doesn't love her and other breeders. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And not all 'breeders' but a lot of time into their work ... that's why alot of them are called 'mills' and sickly animals come from them.

  6. This is the DM That "ratsruletheworld' sent to me on fb before she deleted her account...

    Conversation started today
    Christen Stakley

    If I am going to adopt a pet, especially a rat I want to make damn sure I'm not going to get it home and have it end up with upper respiratory problems and tumors. I much rather go to a breeder and pay extra for a good quality rat. I know of one breeder here in Las Vegas and while she may have a strict contract and charge more its well worth my peace of mind. Your opinion of breeders is obviously very ignorant. Good breeders put a lot of work into their rats, something you couldn't begin to understand so stop bashing breeders.

    Christen Stakley

    Christen Stakley

    I ran across this online. I am the only registered rattery in Las Vegas. You described in your blog information about our adoption policy on our website so I'm assuming your write up was about my rattery but whether is was or wasn't, you are completely uninformed. Let me make one thing clear to you. You can't even begin to understand what goes in the rat fancy. I don't intend on sitting here and explaining myself to you either. Your write up was false and slanderous, claiming there are things that should send off red flags. There are many ethical breeders that do things the exact same way. Each one of us is mentored by other breeders, some that have been breeding for over 20 years. These rules are put into place for very good reason but instead of you asking you went on a bashing spree and I won't have my reputation on the line on account of someone that doesn't like the way I run MY rattery! I've put thousands of dollars into the health of my rats, I meticulously plan each breeding and only breed a few times a year and all my babies find loving homes that don't have the heartache of ending up with sick and dying animals like you would find coming from any other source. It's wrong of you to tell others to beware of breeders if they have strict adoption policies. Having these guildlines proves we care about where our animals end up and most people in the market for a healthy, good quality pet will appreciate that so as far as you not getting that, sounds to me like you are clueless and have no business speaking out about breeders. If you want to buy cheap feeder rats that have not been bred for health then that's your business, you shouldn't be pushing false ideals on others that may want to adopt. In the end you will have heartbroken people blaming you for taking your uninformed advice and ending up with sick rats and high vet bills. I have had nothing but happy adopters come back thanking me for their beautiful babies that have never been sick and have given them many years of happiness. Rescuing cats and dogs from shelters is one thing but rats are a completely different story as they are prone to myco and tumors. It takes years of hard work to breed illness and strong immune systems into a bloodline. Educate yourself next time before you go spreading false information and bashing breeders!

  7. BTW the account was not deleted, you were blocked :)

  8. Ratsruletheworld- Why is that? Are you afraid to have a polite conversation with me? Afraid that you can't back up the hate that you threw at me?

    Just so you know, I did not single you out. I didn't single anyone out. Back when I wrote this, I was a member of a rat group that had breeders talking about their policies in the group and after hearing what they said, I wrote this. It was based off of over half a dozen different people saying these are the types of things they require adopters to agree to. Just so you know.

  9. Hi guys,

    I am not sure if you guys can help me with this, but hoping to at least be redirected to someone who can.

    I have 2 very very loving 1yo rats. I barely have them in their cage because I love having them around me at all times. The thing is because of my financial circumstances at the moment, I am sharing a room with a roommate who is not fond of them. It wasn't really a problem for me until yesterday when he said if I don't give them away he will move out and leave me to pay rent by myself (which I cannot afford). So since then I've been trying to find a place where I can take them to, but found out a lot of people, including big pet stores, end up just selling them as feeders. That's the last thing that I want.

    So I was wondering if you guys would be open to take them in or redirect me to a LOVING place for them.

    These guys have never bit me, not once even when hand fed. They truly are sweet and sometimes will just lay on my lap, so to me finding a good place for them where they will get to exercise daily is a must.

    Thanks in advance, hoping to hear from you guys soon and congrats on what you do!

  10. Felipe- You can take them to a local shelter and they will be set for adoption from there. You didn't say where you live so I can't help with State rescue organizations. If you live in Las Vegas let me know because I might be able to take them for you.


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